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#1 revan114

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 03:34 PM

I wanna build a new PC, preferably one that runs Planetside 2 on a decent FPS.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JGFr3C
This is what I came up with.

Pretty much a straight upgrade from my current hardware.

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 03:46 PM

Why are you buying a 4790k then buying only a 760...????????
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Posted 17 February 2016 - 03:47 PM

Not enough RAM, to avoid bottlenecking your system you'll want at least 8GB, and for the GPU... If you're gonna drop $400 on a GPU, go for a 970 dude. In fact, a 970 is cheaper than the 760 you picked out.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814125684

As for the monitor, If you can afford to do so, splurge a little bit and get this one.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824236627

Slightly larger, faster response time, and higher refresh rate, for $50-60 more.

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 03:49 PM

Or an r9 390

http://www.newegg.co...N=-1&isNodeId=1
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Posted 17 February 2016 - 04:03 PM

View Postasmcint, on 17 February 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:

Not enough RAM, to avoid bottlenecking your system you'll want at least 8GB, and for the GPU... If you're gonna drop $400 on a GPU, go for a 970 dude. In fact, a 970 is cheaper than the 760 you picked out.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814125684

As for the monitor, If you can afford to do so, splurge a little bit and get this one.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824236627

Slightly larger, faster response time, and higher refresh rate, for $50-60 more.

Gotcha bubby.
Updated card to 970 + 8 gb of RAM.

Also I'm not sure if I should splerge out over a monitor. ;3
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Posted 17 February 2016 - 04:09 PM

View Postrevan114, on 17 February 2016 - 04:03 PM, said:

Gotcha bubby.
Updated card to 970 + 8 gb of RAM.

Also I'm not sure if I should splerge out over a monitor. ;3

There's also this one if you don't mind paying a little more still to avoid a refurbished model.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824009642

Pretty much Acer's equivalent to what I suggested already. And seriously, if you're getting that kind of power, a 144Hz monitor with 1ms response time is a worthwhile investment.

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 04:16 PM

760 lmao

Processor MAY be overboard imo though

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 04:32 PM

View PostXero-Space, on 17 February 2016 - 04:16 PM, said:

760 lmao

Processor MAY be overboard imo though

Plantland 2 is processor bound as fuck, so I wanna get the best I can to ensure I can run that bitch. Then again, I was able to play on 20 fps using a gAyMD FX 8150, so...

Also I fixed the link. Didn't update for some reason.

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 05:57 PM

View Postrevan114, on 17 February 2016 - 04:32 PM, said:

Plantland 2 is processor bound as fuck, so I wanna get the best I can to ensure I can run that bitch. Then again, I was able to play on 20 fps using a gAyMD FX 8150, so...

Also I fixed the link. Didn't update for some reason.

You're very likely to be alright with a 4690k, unless it's also for virualization or whatever.
I don't think there are games out there yet that would benefit from those extra threads.
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Posted 17 February 2016 - 06:09 PM

View PostZongo, on 17 February 2016 - 05:57 PM, said:

You're very likely to be alright with a 4690k, unless it's also for virualization or whatever.
I don't think there are games out there yet that would benefit from those extra threads.

Could I easily run any game on the market with this setup?

SHOULD I GET MOAR RAM?
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Posted 17 February 2016 - 07:11 PM

View Postrevan114, on 17 February 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

Could I easily run any game on the market with this setup?

SHOULD I GET MOAR RAM?

You could easily run any game on the market, and if you're getting a 970 more RAM actually wouldn't hurt. Also Zongo is incorrect, most modern games can easily take advantage of all 8 threads.

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 11:26 PM

View Postasmcint, on 17 February 2016 - 07:11 PM, said:

Also Zongo is incorrect, most modern games can easily take advantage of all 8 threads.

No, they can't. The overwhelming majority of new releases barely support 4 at the moment. Performance between an i7 and i5 is still identical for gaming.

As for OP. Ditch the 970, they have notorious black screen issues (usually evga more than others. Downclocking by 33mhz fixed it, but like most people, GTAV still immediately hard crashes) and horrible coil while (most cards). I made a build that stepped you down to an i5, doubled the storage, 390x instead, and a much better case than that sheet metal shit.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xRRXTW

Edit: The PSU you picked and I kept is more expensive now along with a couple other components. Still around what you had before though.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 01:16 AM

View Postblind7125, on 17 February 2016 - 11:26 PM, said:

As for OP. Ditch the 970, they have notorious black screen issues (usually evga more than others. Downclocking by 33mhz fixed it, but like most people, GTAV still immediately hard crashes) and horrible coil while (most cards).

Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, that the reason that happens is NOT because of the 970 but because the power supply is literal ass and can't support the 970?
Why are you bringing up GTA V when that doesn't seem to be a reason for the PC upgrade, and even if that's just an example, why did you not mention that the crashing problem isn't exclusive to the 970?
Why are you instead telling him to get a 390x when he could just get the 390 instead for the same price point?
Why does that build look almost identical to the original one?
Why are you judging his choice in case when it doesn't even matter and is just personal preference?

Nigger what the fuck are you even doing?

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 01:35 AM

View Postblind7125, on 17 February 2016 - 11:26 PM, said:

-wtf snip-
What the fuck do you mean "notorious"? I myself and 2+ other friends all have 970s, at least half of them EVGA, and have had literally none of these issues. For me, it's been an awesome value card that has literally never once failed me in the entire year that I've used it. Seriously, tell me a reputable source where I can fact check literally anything you just said. As for the processor, while a higher-end i5 is fine, there is absolutely nothing wrong with an i7 as games and many other applications will gradually begin utilizing multicore processing more often and more efficiently.

In the first place, I would highly, highly recommend you wait until the end of the year before you make a decision on a build(if you have the patience and ability to do so). AMD and possibly Nvidia will be debuting their new architecture this year, and if we are to believe what either of them are saying, we could see performance increases in some aspects of anywhere from 150-1000+%. Polaris in particular is speculated to come out mid-year. IMO just wait, it has the potential to be super worth for you.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 02:07 AM

View PostMasterFux, on 18 February 2016 - 01:35 AM, said:

What the fuck do you mean "notorious"? I myself and 2+ other friends all have 970s, at least half of them EVGA, and have had literally none of these issues. For me, it's been an awesome value card that has literally never once failed me in the entire year that I've used it. Seriously, tell me a reputable source where I can fact check literally anything you just said. As for the processor, while a higher-end i5 is fine, there is absolutely nothing wrong with an i7 as games and many other applications will gradually begin utilizing multicore processing more often and more efficiently.

In the first place, I would highly, highly recommend you wait until the end of the year before you make a decision on a build(if you have the patience and ability to do so). AMD and possibly Nvidia will be debuting their new architecture this year, and if we are to believe what either of them are saying, we could see performance increases in some aspects of anywhere from 150-1000+%. Polaris in particular is speculated to come out mid-year. IMO just wait, it has the potential to be super worth for you.

Good point. AMD's Zen CPUs are also coming out this year and are reported to support hyperthreading, should be interesting to see.

View Postblind7125, on 17 February 2016 - 11:26 PM, said:

No, they can't. The overwhelming majority of new releases barely support 4 at the moment. Performance between an i7 and i5 is still identical for gaming.
I've seen AAA games(in particular Dragon Age: Inquisition) make use of(if not necessarily evenly) all 12 threads on one of Intel's few hexacore offerings. Not only that, but I get consistent usage of all 6 cores on my FX-6300 even on some titles a few years old. To claim that most new releases barely support 4 threads is nothing short of uninhibited ignorance, and it shows that you stopped paying attention to the state of games' implementations of multithreading several years ago.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 03:45 AM

View Postasmcint, on 18 February 2016 - 02:07 AM, said:

Good point. AMD's Zen CPUs are also coming out this year and are reported to support hyperthreading, should be interesting to see.

I've seen AAA games(in particular Dragon Age: Inquisition) make use of(if not necessarily evenly) all 12 threads on one of Intel's few hexacore offerings. Not only that, but I get consistent usage of all 6 cores on my FX-6300 even on some titles a few years old. To claim that most new releases barely support 4 threads is nothing short of uninhibited ignorance, and it shows that you stopped paying attention to the state of games' implementations of multithreading several years ago.

We are talking about the majority of current games. The frostbite engine is practically the only one using more than 4 threads, and Crysis 3 only did it in certain areas. There are notable outliers predating the Frostbite engine like Civ 5, RUSE, and if I remember correctly Lost Planet 2 as well, but these games are few and far between. Generally speaking, games that utilize more than four threads don't exist. Either way, it's literally meaningless if a game is threaded for 4, 8, or even 12 because your GPU is going to limit you LONG before your CPU ever will. Learn to put your money in the proper places for the build.


View PostMasterFux, on 18 February 2016 - 01:35 AM, said:

What the fuck do you mean "notorious"? I myself and 2+ other friends all have 970s, at least half of them EVGA, and have had literally none of these issues. For me, it's been an awesome value card that has literally never once failed me in the entire year that I've used it. Seriously, tell me a reputable source where I can fact check literally anything you just said.

Live demo: https://www.youtube....h?v=akS23GmGpkA

Witcher 3 with search terms "Witcher 3 black screen crash". All of these were taken from the front page of Google.:
http://forums.evga.c...t-m2337666.aspx
http://forums.cdproj...from-Nvida-CDPR
http://forums.evga.c...4-m2332911.aspx
http://forums.cdproj...Requires-Reboot
http://forums.cdproj...shes-after-1-05
https://forums.gefor...ot-blackscreen/
https://forums.gefor...driver-inquiry/
http://forums.evga.c...4-m2332911.aspx

GTAV with search terms "Black screen crash Nvidia" from the first page:
https://forums.gefor...creen-solution/
https://forums.gefor...0-black-screen/
http://www.gamefaqs....auto-v/71942540
http://www.tomshardw...hard-crash.html

General with search terms "970 black screen crash" Notice the OVERWHELMING amount of EVGA cards, specifically the SC version (and early versions of the SSC)  of the 970. Front page again:
http://forums.evga.c...A-m2248453.aspx
http://forums.elders...ers-working-fix
http://www.overclock...d-buzzing-noise
http://forums.evga.c...4-m2332911.aspx
https://forums.gefor...driver-inquiry/
https://forums.gefor...since-purchase/
http://www.tomshardw...ing-issues.html
http://forums.evga.c...s-m2272942.aspx
http://www.tomshardw...ack-screen.html

Actual articles on the insane coil whine:
http://wccftech.com/...970-coil-whine/
http://www.pcper.com...-Whine-Concerns
http://www.hardwarec...estigation.html
https://semiaccurate...oblem-everyone/

You won't find articles on the crashing issue really, just abnormally large amounts of "Nvidia black screen" issues that all pertain to the 970's.

My guess on why is two part:

-The issue itself is irregular (except with GTAV for most people, which is pretty consistent in crashing within an hour) and will sometimes happen, sometimes won't.
-The issue will entirely disappear with some driver updates, and reappear with an angry vengeance on the next.

The issue is always exactly the same wherever you look. The PC hangs, the screen goes black, the sound will just hang on the last sound, and you have to forcibly restart. I noted another similarity in the games that do crash, which is namely that they are all GameWorks titles. Personally, I've only had one or two crashes on MGSV and Far Cry 4 outside of the problem games. You'll note one or two MGSV problems as well in the above links.

View PostXero-Space, on 18 February 2016 - 01:16 AM, said:

Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, that the reason that happens is NOT because of the 970 but because the power supply is literal ass and can't support the 970?

Personal experience. My own card has been tested on 3 different PSU's and even transplanted into a completely new build. The issue persists, and you'll see the same thing in the above links. Only flashing the card or downclocking sometimes eliminates or reduces the issue.

View PostXero-Space, on 18 February 2016 - 01:16 AM, said:

Why are you bringing up GTA V when that doesn't seem to be a reason for the PC upgrade, and even if that's just an example, why did you not mention that the crashing problem isn't exclusive to the 970?

Did I ever say it was exclusive? I said the 970's are notorious for these issues, which suggest a higher number of problem cards than other models. The 970 is simply more prone to the issue it appears.

View PostXero-Space, on 18 February 2016 - 01:16 AM, said:

Why are you instead telling him to get a 390x when he could just get the 390 instead for the same price point?
Why does that build look almost identical to the original one?

-Typo.
-Likely because I was at work, had ten different chrome tabs open all on PCPartPicker, and didn't double check.

View PostXero-Space, on 18 February 2016 - 01:16 AM, said:

Why are you judging his choice in case when it doesn't even matter and is just personal preference?

Wat. The parts picked in the build are ALL personal preference. Most people just have a personal preference for stuff that isn't shitty in quality, which that Rosewill certainly is.

Hmm, let's see, the Define S has:

-Silence.
-3 front fan slots.
-2 top fan slots.
-2 bottom fan slots and clearance for the PSU to draw outside cold air.
-All 140mm supported.
-Silencing foam which makes a huge difference.
-Watercooling support.
-Dust filters.
-Silence.
-Buttons that won't break after a year.
-Moar silence with covers for empty fans.
-Cable management.
-Silence.

For $30 extra, that's a lot of useful stuff. Nigger what the fuck are you even doing?

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 01:30 PM

View Postblind7125, on 17 February 2016 - 11:26 PM, said:

No, they can't. The overwhelming majority of new releases barely support 4 at the moment. Performance between an i7 and i5 is still identical for gaming.

As for OP. Ditch the 970, they have notorious black screen issues (usually evga more than others. Downclocking by 33mhz fixed it, but like most people, GTAV still immediately hard crashes) and horrible coil while (most cards). I made a build that stepped you down to an i5, doubled the storage, 390x instead, and a much better case than that sheet metal shit.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Vn2G7P

The link still isn't showing the updated parts. I think you have to delete the line the link itself is on and then repaste it. Shit's weird.

Edited by revan114, 18 February 2016 - 02:50 PM.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 02:42 PM

View Postrevan114, on 18 February 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:



The link still isn't showing the updated parts. I think you have to delete the linch the link itself is on and then repaste it. Shit's weird.

Fucking weird too. I checked it last night to make sure and it was correct.

Edit: Had to change the link twice before it would finally sit.

Edited by blind7125, 18 February 2016 - 02:44 PM.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 02:50 PM

View Postblind7125, on 18 February 2016 - 02:42 PM, said:

Fucking weird too. I checked it last night to make sure and it was correct.

Edit: Had to change the link twice before it would finally sit.

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 05:33 PM

View Postrevan114, on 18 February 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:



Still broke...
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wat. It works, I just checked.
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